D.J. Demers

He wears hearing aids, but it's totally not a big deal.

D.J. Demers is a stand-up comedian. 

Episode 10 - Wendy Liebman

The incomparable Wendy Liebman stops by my sweaty Burbank apartment. Wendy has been on the Tonight Show (with Leno and Carson!), Jimmy Kimmel, America's Got Talent, and anything else you can think of. She is one of my comedy heroes, so this episode was a huge treat. Enjoy!


Transcript

 

 [intro] 

D.J. Demers: Welcome to Definitely D.J. everybody, so good to see you. I can’t see you, but so good to be present with you, in this moment. I am your host D.J. – D.J. Demers, D.J. Demers? D.J. Demers! 

It’s one of those names it’s like a Rorschach test, however you say it, that’s correct – there’s no judgment here. Thank you so much for joining me, I – I am so much excited for this podcast today, an amazing, amazing guest. One of my heroes, I don’t throw that word around. One of my –um, idols growing up. Somebody who I really learned a lot about comedy from – I remember watching her when I was very young and uh- I just, one of those things where I just can’t believe my life’s come full circle where now I know her personally and she was able to come to my podcast with me, that she actually agreed to come hang out in my one-bedroom apartment in Burbank. I turned off the fan because it was too loud, so we were just sittin’ here, stiflin’ hot, in my –uh, my apartment here in Burbank. But it is Wendy Liebman and she’s an amazing comedian and –uh, an amazing person as well, so I’m so happy she came and joined me here. 

It’s been a nice week, I went in San Diego for the first time and –uh, what a beautiful city. When I headline the club called “The Comedy Palace” and the shows were amazing and then, all day Saturday I had nothing to do, I just had shows at night, so went to Mission Beach and checked it out. It’s a funny thing though cause when you’re alone in a city, you’re like “Wow, I can’t believe I’m here, San Diego” and then you’re like “Uhh, I’m so lonely”. [laughing] It’s fun but it’s nice to share these things with people and –uh, my girlfriend’s back in Canada right now. She’s not here with me, so. For the first few months, she was coming with me in this fun roadtrips and we went to explore new cities together but now I’m just there on my own. And that’s fine too, just uh- different kind of experience. I ended up in the middle of the day going to watch “Wonder Woman” by myself and that’s sound kinda creepy maybe, pathetic but you know what – I felt none of those things because that movie was incredible. I felt nothing but amazement. Wow. “Wonder Woman”, what a great movie, and I’m bored of all these superhero movies, I’m not a big comic book guy so, I went in there with -moderate expectation and wow – incredible. Gal Gadot, a woman who plays Wonder Woman – my goodness, what a superstar, just obviously she’s beautiful. But also kind eyes, she plays that naive role well and when she grew into the superhero kind of, you know, when she finally embraced it, became Wonder Woman, she was believable there too and just –just a perfect Wonder Woman. And it’s so amazing to have a female superhero, like a true female superhero. I know there have been one in the past but this is her own movie and it wasn’t very subtle either, right. It’s like “You can’t go in there, that’s No Man’s Land” and –uh I didn’t mind that it wasn’t subtle, I was like “No, this woman can kick ass, everybody better get used to it”. People told her she couldn’t do it, nevertheless she persisted. I got four nieces and I’m so happy that I haven’t talked to them about that, I hope they go to watch that movie because just –just amazing to watch a woman kickin’ a*s for an hour and a half, and a great movie too. Chris Pine was amazing in it, too. Can’t say enough good things about “Wonder Woman”. 

So I watched that alone in the theater in San Diego, that is a fourth movie I watched by myself in my life and something about watching movies on your own, I – it’s powerful. I remember all four movies I’ve seen vividly. First one I’ve ever saw on my one was in 2011. and it was my first time I was ever in L.A. I made the finals of a competition called “Stand Up 

for Diversity”, and that was put on by NBC, so they flew me down to L.A. and –uh, I was so lonely. I didn't know anybody in L.A., and – the day of the show I just had nothing to do, so I went to –uh, and I live like 10 minutes away from it now, I think it’s called “Universal City” and uh- there’s a movie theater there and I was like the only person there, and I just remember sittin’ there, eatin’ a burger, listeting to –uh, oh man, what’s –uh, David Guetta and Usher sound? “Give ya all my love tonight”. Remember that? That’s probably not the right tune at all. But I remember just sittin’ there, listening to that echo through the empty outdoor mall at “Universal City” and I’m like “Excuse us, I’m gonna go watch a movie” and I went and saw Harold and Kumar’s Christmas movie and got out of that theater. It was OK, it was pretty funny, and I laughed and I went to perform at the Comedy Store for the first time ever, and just bombed horribly, so that was a good learning experience. I remember that movie well. 

The second one I ever saw was –uh, “Savages”. That was a movie with –uh, Blake Lively and –uh, oh that guy from “Friday Night Lights” who supposed to turn into a big star, but had too many bombs in a row –Taylor Kitch, and that movie was bad. But I remember that because I’ve just broken up with my girlfriend or she just broken up with me rather, and we’re supposed to go to vacation to Banff, Alberta. Beautiful destination. But we broke up, so I just went on the vacation by myself. So, I was in Banff and I went to watch “Savages” by myself. Bad movie, they were just smokin’ weed the entire movie like, the characters in the movie. Made me wanna smoke weed but I didn’t had any. But then I left the movie and I went back to my hostel and one of the strangers who was staying in my hostel room with me was this dude from Quebec who had several ounces of marijuana. We ended up driving –we hang out for a bit, he was a nice guy. We drove to Canmore from Banff, so it’s like an hour drive, two hours I think and –uh, we just smoked weed and listened to a “Korn” dubstep album. The band “Korn” made a dubstep album and you know what, maybe, maybe just cause of the “wacky tobacky” he gave me, but I enjoyed it, that “Korn” dubstep album. I enjoyed it. Anyway, that was “Savages”, second movie I ever saw. 

Third one was “The Revenant”, saw that in Boston last year by myself and uh- that was when I was really just starting to hit the road really hard for comedy and I was really feelin’ good about all the gigs I was gettin’ and I really love Boston. And “The Revenant” was amazing, so I remember just comin’ out of that, it was snowy Boston that night and “The Revenant” was so good, and I remember steppin’ outside of that theater just been like “Damn, life is good, man”. Life is good. 

And now, this fourth time was just past weekend, I saw “Wonder Woman” alone in San Diego, in the middle of a beautiful afternoon, and then I left the theater and went and perfomed in a great comedy club “Comedy Palace”, so. Another great memory, watching a movie by myself. I teared up a little bit, I almost cried. I don’t know if tear actually rolled down my cheek but – came close to it. That movie packed an emotional punch, I enjoyed it greatly. I’m not afraid to admit that I cry during movies, even comic book movies. Also, I missed a lot. I watched it in 3D so I couldn’t watch it with captions on, and I realized like I need to have close caption at movie theaters and miss ‘em way too much. It’s a pretty simple plot, so I didn’t missed too much but uh- especially when there’s narrator and there’s no- where I can read lips or anythin’, I miss a lot so. That’s fun, in the future I will try to always get caption. This time I was like “Let’s see, maybe I don’t need it”. It’s conclusive – I do need it. 

OK, so those were the four movies I’ve seen by myself and –uh, they all hold a special place in my heart. It’s funny, I can’t remember a lot of movies I’ve seen when I’ve seen them with other people, but when I’m by myself, somethin’ about it, right? 

Let’s get into this episode. I was gonna give you the phone number to call but you know what – I’m maybe gonna give you the phone number this week because nobody called, once again. Like I said though, I do kinda –you know what? Call me. Tell me a movie that you’ve seen by yourself. 818-659-60-21. And you just leave a message. Not like you’re gonna wake me up or somethin’, 818-659-60-21 and that will lead directly to me and I will play your message on the podcast or if you don’t want me to, tell me that too. 

So let’s see if we can make it. This is the tenth episode, let’s see if we can make it. Ten weeks in a row of me beggin’ for you to call me to no avail, I hope we do this in the next 20 years. 

Without further ado –oh, if you live in Montreal, I will be performing inside your city, June 22th to 24th, get tickets. That’s at the “Comedy Nest”, and that’s a great club. I’ve always loved going to Montreal, and then, June 26th at the Geffen Playhouse I will be opening for Jay Leno, which is huge. I’m very excited about that. Kathy Buckley will be hosting, so come on out to that if you’re in the L.A. area. 

Without further ado everybody, like I said at the beginning of this episode, my guest today is a, one of my favorites, just so clever, so likeable, and uh- a real legend in the comedy scene so I’m so excited that she agreed to be on the podcast. And, without further ado, I hope you guys enjoy this episode, once again call me – 818-659-60-21, Tweet at me, Facebook, give me good ratings on iTunes, do whatever. Do whatever you want, you don’t have to do any of that, just listen and enjoy. 

Ladies and gentleman, the one, the only - Wendy Liebman. 

Wendy Liebman: So, you have one ear that works? 

D.J. Demers: [laughing] I have both ears that work, but one works much better than the other one. 

Wendy Liebman: You know Kathy Buckley? 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, I know Kathy well. Actually, she –she really taken me under her wings since I moved here and –uh, she’s hosting a benefit show in a couple of weeks and Jay Leno is headlinin’ and she’s letting me open, so I get to perform at the Geffen playhouse and- 

Wendy Liebman: Wow. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, so yeah Kathy, Kathy’s been great to me. 

She’s great, she’s gonna do my show too that you’re doing. Not the same show but she’s gonna do –but so interesting now that I’ve been producing and hosting this show, is how many great comedies there are. Like, I have a list of a hundred comedians, and then I’d say about 25 who wanna do it again, so I feel like I need to do more shows so I can get 

everybody on the show. I was looking at my e-mails and I saw that we have talked about YouTubing it last August. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: And now I’m finally gonna get to have you on my show. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, so excited to do it. I went and watch –I came right when I moved to L.A., I think in December, I came in and watched the –it was great, you know who was really great watching and I know you, obviously for your jokes, but watching you host was a whole different animal and you’re so lovely and likeable that it was fun to watch you in that setting. 

Wendy Liebman: Thank you. 

D.J. Demers: -Talkin’ to the audience. 

Wendy Liebman: I’ve kind of appreciated it more like appreciate doing that more cause –uh, you know I only have so many jokes [laughing] and audience has heard many of ‘em cause I have people coming back month after month, so uh- I’ve had to write a little bit more but also I think I’m better at the hosting-producing thing than in –I mean I’m a really good performer too, but I think I enjoy the hosting and producing. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah? You’ve never done it until this Vitello’s show? 

Wendy Liebman: No, I’ve produced a -few benefits, uh- in my life. I’ve had one in Boston for 10 years, uh- for an organization called “Community Works” but –uh, and I’ve hosted –you know, occasionally. But it’s – it is a different animal, absolutely is. And I’ve watched other hosts, like Betsy Salkind hosted the show called “Uncabare” every Sunday night, and uh- Wendy Hammers hosted her show, so I’ve watched them. I mean it’s all –uh, I didn’t know how to do stand-up before I started watching other people. So, it’s –it’s uh, I feel like I have my PhD in stand-up comedy now because I’ve been doing this 30 years. 

D.J. Demers: That’s crazy – 30 years. 

Wendy Liebman: Oh, You’re not even 30 years old, are you? 

D.J. Demers: I am, yeah I’m 31. 

Wendy Liebman: Uh, alright, so. 

D.J. Demers: -But thank you. 

Wendy Liebman: You were 1 when I started doing stand-up comedy [laughing] 

D.J. Demers: Well, I know that you’ve been doing it that long, cause you’re one of my favorite comedians, and I’m not just blowin’ smoke up here rear-end. 

Wendy Liebman: Thank you. 

D.J. Demers: Honestly, yeah -this is uh- this is huge for me. I don’t wanna understate –you were like one of my favorite comedians growing up. I loved –I think more than, I mean there’s a few influences that I can really kind of put my finger on, that kind of shape that I liked to write jokes, but you Wendy Liebman is like right at the top. 

Wendy Liebman: Thank yooou! 

D.J. Demers: I’ve actually had people come up, I’m not the exact same –like you have such a distinct delivery, I’m not –I haven’t completely ripped you off, I don’t want you to think that but I’ve had people tell me like “I really like that joke, it had kinda like Wendy Liebman kind of like flavor” and I’m like “Aww, thank you”. And that’s actually when I started to realize like “oh, I definitely was influent”. I knew I loved you growing up, but I didn’t realize how much you’d actually influent. For anybody who hasn’t seen Wendy and if you haven’t, you need to correct that mistake right now, go on YouTube and uh- also you have a website on your special –a special on your website. 

Wendy Liebman: At my website, and my special “Taller on TV”. 

D.J. Demers: But didn’t you sell it on your website as well? 

Wendy Liebman: You know what, I did but now you can just get it on Amazon. I should have known this things, which is why I’m not a good business person, like –uh, the business part of the show business I’m not down with yet but I haven’t learnt to monetize my art. 

D.J. Demers: It’s so hard. I’m so horrible. 

Wendy Liebman: Like I wanna do cards and mugs and T-shirts, put my jokes on them, but I don’t really know how to do that part. 

D.J. Demers: I have T-shirts. 

Wendy Liebman: You do?! What does they say? 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, they are sitting on the box behind it. It says “Indistinct chatter” and then looks like a subtitle, like a closed caption, and then the back of the T-shirt it says “close captioning of this garment brought to you by D.J. Demers”, but the thing is, when I’m headlining, you know you suppose to do that thing in the end when you’re like “I got T-shirts here, guys” and then you do your final joke – I’m so bad at that part. I like, immediately –like bcome uncomfortable with the fact I’m like “you guys can buy one but if you don’t want it, that’s fine too”. “You know what, don’t even –forget I even mentioned it. I’m sorry” 

Wendy Liebman: [laughing] “I’m going home now, I’m not even going to be out there”. I was gonna do it once, I had uh- sweatpants made up. You know how like on some sweatpants it says “pink” or “juicy” on the a- can I say “a*s” on your podcast? 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, yeah, you can say whatever you want. 

Wendy Liebman: -Uh, and I thought it would be really funny if on the back it said “Laughing my a*s off, LMAO”. So I had sweatpants made up and it said “LMAO” on the back. And I put them in my trunk of my car, I was driving to a benefit and I’m like “Ok, it’s benefit, maybe I could do that afterwards”. Again, I’ve never sold anything – like anything. Stickers, bookmar-nothing. So, I chickened out, D.J. And …three days later, I went to get them out of the trunk of my car and somebody had stolen the suitcase. 

D.J. Demers: What?! 

Wendy Liebman: So, there were 40 pairs of “LMAO” sweatpants somewhere in the world. If you see them on eBay- 

D.J. Demers: That’s so funny. 

Wendy Liebman: -know they’re mine. I have one pair, Carl, who used to run the improv in Vegas has another pair and my friend Betsy has a pair, so that’s- 

D.J. Demers: And there’s 37 other one, just out there in the wild. 

Wendy Liebman: [laughing] And I’m sure the person like opened the suitcase and was like “What the f*ck is this?!” 

D.J. Demers: [laughing] Or maybe they saw a huge business opportunity. 

Wendy Liebman: I know, I know. Maybe, yeah. Um, so I still wanna do that and I have a mug that I wanna sell, that says “Coffee is my cup of tea”. 

D.J. Demers: Uh. Those are the kinds of things that it’s like a nice, little clever joke and you can make a million dollars of it. 

Wendy Liebman: And somebody would want that. 

D.J. Demers: Exactly. 

Wendy Liebman: You know, just to even take a little piece of the show they saw home. Like I’ve heard that repeatedly from club owners and- 

D.J. Demers: I know. 

Wendy Liebman: But what is it about us? 

D.J. Demers: Well, I think and I went to school for business, I got a degree in business with a concentration in marketing like I should be good at this. 

Wendy Liebman: Oh my God! Maybe I should ask you to sell my- 

D.J. Demers: No, but I suck at it. I think what it is, it feels weird to like pretend –not pretend, but to be like a pure artist out there and then shift right into commerce mode, and then try to shift back to artist mode. 

Wendy Liebman: What if somebody sold it for you? 

D.J. Demers: I think that’s better. But it’s also kind of like “C’mon, grow a pair and take pride” and another thing is that I don’t really love my T-shirt, so I’m like “Hey, you should buy this shirt that kinda sucks and I’d think you’d be a fool if you wore it”. 

Wendy Liebman: See, I love the “LMAO” sweatpants and I still wear them to sleep. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah? 

Wendy Liebman: I’ve never worn them out, though. 

D.J. Demers: No? 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, no. 

D.J. Demers: People would. People would wear that. 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, I think so. 

D.J. Demers: Another thing is I don’t really like wearing graphic T’s, that’s why I don’t really like my shirt -but other people do, that’s why I’m like “I can’t project on this, some people might like wearing”. 

Wendy Liebman: Right. 

D.J. Demers: But it’s so –I’ve seen people just crush at merch. I’ve saw this guy, I performed on the cruise ship, and he spent five minutes talking ‘bout how every shirt he sold, uh, all the proceeds were gonna go to the troops. And you know, it was an American audience, you know. I’m from Canada, so the whole kinda “get behind the army” thing is new to me, but it’s very real American phenomenon and uh- so he really got them all amped up on that and then, sold a gazillion shirts after. But I was like “there’s nobody actually like audate it to make sure he’s giving all that money to the troops”. 

Wendy Liebman: I’ve heard of that before, people saying that the proceeds are going to charity, the charity being them. 

D.J. Demers: [laughing] Yeah, yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: Uh, maybe I should just put a tip jar on stage, and I don’t know. 

D.J. Demers: Just be completely unabashed about it: “Listen, I’m getting paid for this gig but I want more money from each and every one of you, ok? I love money”. 

Wendy Liebman: Well, I’m doing the benefit for comedians from Boston, I started in Boston. And uh, one of the comedians Steve Bean had cancer, and he had –this is not a joke – he had to have his nose replaced. 

D.J. Demers: Oh, no. 

Wendy Liebman: Like a prosthetic nose. So, we’re doing –all the Boston comedians are doing the benefit for him. I had Jackie Flynn, Brian Kiley, Ed Driscoll, Ron Lynch, Laura Kightlinger –we’re all coming together. 

D.J. Demers: In L.A.? 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, at Vitello’s at my crew, and on July 9th and, I really only wanted charge 10 dollars to get in, because said it’s a two drink minimum, and the money goes to the venue for the -minimum. So, I’m thinking, which is why I don’t want it to be more than 10 dollars to get in, because that’s a lot of money. People put out at least 30 dollars a person to see, even though it’s great comedy and it’s great cause, but I think I’m gonna have a tip jar, saying “If you wanna add to Steve’s recovery” cause it’s a hard ship. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah. That’s one where people -those ones they don’t actually feel as dirty about it. This is –somebody needs a new nose. 

Wendy Liebman: It’s legitimate. 

D.J. Demers: Like that’s, please donate. 

Wendy Liebman: He’s an actor, so I don’t know how he’s gonna work. 

D.J. Demers: Oh, no. 

Wendy Liebman: He was in a comedy team called “Zito and Bean”, I have a really funny story about Steve Bean. Uh, so it was my -I lived in Boston, I was going to New York and it was my first time performing in New York. Nobody invited me, I was just going. [laughing] 

D.J. Demers: Yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: And I took the train from Boston to New York, and there were a few other comedians on the train and we hung out a little bit. And then, on my way back, the same comedians were there and I see Steve Bean and Chris Zito, Zito and Bean walking down the aisle and Steve said “Hey Wendy, how are you? Do you wanna go have a cigarette?”, at that time we both smoked so, I was like “Yeah, let’s go to the smoking car”, that was a smoking car on the train, Amtrak. So, we went to the smoking car and uh-we must’ve fallen asleep or got so involved that we didn’t hear announcements or whatever. We got up to go back to our car, we look out – there’s no car. It was like they split the train. 

D.J. Demers: [laughing] Oh, no. 

Wendy Liebman: And he goes “Wendy, where’s the train?”, I go “I have no f*cking idea what just happened” [laughing] 

D.J. Demers: You sure it was just tobacco cigarette? 

Wendy Liebman: I know. [laughing] There were just tracks. 

D.J. Demers: Oh, wow. Were you moving? 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, we were moving and, all my stuff was in the other car like, like who leaves their purse. 

D.J. Demers: [laughing] And you didn’t have a cell phone at the time to- 

Wendy Liebman: This was in the ’80. 

D.J. Demers: Wow. 

Wendy Liebman: And so, what we ended up doing was we got off, we had to convince the train people that all our money was on the other train, and we couldn’t afford, so we –anyway, we eventually got to where we had to go and one of the other comedians had dragged my suitcase and my purse. [laughing] 

D.J. Demers: Oh, man. That’s incredible. 

Wendy Liebman: I think that night I smoked a little of the other cigarettes but um- yeah, I guess the moral of that story is just don’t smoke. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, exactly. That’s what they should put on the cigarette pack – just a train being split apart, “this could be you”. 

Wendy Liebman: [laughing] But they do –apparently they always split in New Haven, and uh, so it was a regular thing and the guy was like “We were making announcements and-”. 

D.J. Demers: I never hear announcements, like I hear them but I just hear “tut, tut, tut, rarawrawrarwra”. 

Wendy Liebman: That’s what I hear too [laughing] 

D.J. Demers: Oh, really? I’m always just looking around, like what are other people doing, I never know what’s actually up on the train. 

Wendy Liebman: Were you born like that? 

D.J. Demers: Uh, probably. I started wearing hearing aids when I was four, so I was probably born with it, but I’ve just learnt to adapt, it’s fine. I just know like, like on a plane I’m like –we’re in the air and then we’re gonna land where we –so, there’s no concern, but on a train I’m always like, they’re doing weird things like splitting up or stopping and then you have to get on a new train or something. So I’m always just like –I don’t sleep on planes, I can fall asleep the whole time, on a train I’m always like “What’s happening, what are you guys doing?” 

Wendy Liebman: I can always fall asleep on a plane. 

D.J. Demers: I can sleep an entire –like before we even take off, and when I land- 

Wendy Liebman: Yup, me too. I put my head on the tray table. 

D.J. Demers: Oh, do you? 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah. 

D.J. Demers: I have one of those big neck pillows. You know, I used to make fun of people who used –and then my buddy was like “you gotta try it” and I got it and I’ll never go back. 

Wendy Liebman: Well, my husband can’t sleep on a plane. He’s so jealous but it’s almost Pavlovian for me, that I just as soon as I get on the plane –maybe it’s like the oxygen is less but I don’t fall asleep at night at home. 

D.J. Demers: No? 

Wendy Liebman: I am–it’s almost like I’m on a plane I’m not in control, I can’t be in control. There’s no control, so, I can just sleep but at home it’s like I feel like I have to be vigilantly aware of things. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah. A plane you can just let it go, you’re like “there’s nothing” –that’s why now that they have Wi-Fi you’re more vicurdess on plane, I’m like “no, I don’t want Wi-Fi, this is where I disconnect, I don’t want to be connected”. 

Wendy Liebman: I always like, reading or doing crossword puzzles if I’m awake. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah. Those are both good ways to fall asleep though. I love doing the crossword and then my brain is “OK, enough of this thing, I’m shutting it down”. 

Wendy Liebman: I’ve sat next to some very interesting people on planes. 

D.J. Demers: Do you tell them you’re a comedian? 

Wendy Liebman: Um, I do and then I always regret it. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: But I’ve made some friends actually but um- sometimes I get bumped up to first class, cause I’ve flown over a million miles on American”. 

D.J. Demers: Wow, that’s the dream. That’s like George Clooney in “Up In The Air”. 

Wendy Liebman: But it’s less frequently now because American merged with Continental or U.S Air so, there are many more people with more points than I have, so anyway, but when I get bumped up to first class, I’ve sat next to J. Edward Olmos, the actor who was in “Stand and Deliver” I think. I’ve sat next to Roger Ebert, the film critic. 

D.J. Demers: Oh, I love Roger Ebert. That’s amazing. 

Wendy Liebman: I was so scared, I didn’t talk to him. I was like –I was so nervous I couldn’t talk to him. 

D.J. Demers: Really? 

Wendy Liebman: This is years ago. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: Uh, Gabriel Byrne, the actor. It’s just funky. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, did you talk to Gabriel? 

Wendy Liebman: No, I think I was too nervous. And then J., I- I’m think I’m getting his name wrong, J. Edward Olm- he encouraged me to watch the movie and I think cause he didn’t want to talk to me anymore. 

D.J. Demers: [laughing] Oh, really? “Oh, that movie is good, you should watch that”. 

Wendy Liebman: It’s called “How to Make an American Quilt”. This is years ago. Um, but I’ve met some other people, like just random people that I’ve kept in touch with. And one day I’m gonna have a party with just the people that I’ve met on airplanes. 

D.J. Demers: That’s amazing. Just everybody’s sleeping on trays. 

Wendy Liebman: Right? And I’ll serve airplane food. 

D.J. Demers: Nice. Which I like, by the way. I know you suppose to hate airplane food but I’m always pretty satisfied. I like those little biscuits they give you. 

Wendy Liebman: Yes. 

D.J. Demers: The -I forget the name. Sometimes I ask them like “You have the biscuit?” and they’re like “No, not on this flight”. I can feel like, my body, is a visceral reaction like I’m very 

upset, like “You tell me you don’t have any biscuits in the back of the plane right now, c’mon”. 

Wendy Liebman: [laughing] Um, yeah. A friend of mine was a flight attendant for American and she said when she first started in the 80’s they would like, toss the salad in –this is first class, toss it in the aisle and show you everything that they’re doing and cut things up and now they just throw it at you, it’s –yeah. 

D.J. Demers: Really? You gotta fly no matter what, so. 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah. I met a woman once when I was going through, like, a little bit, well not a little bit of a break up, I was kinda going through a break up and uh, I just had some questions and I don’t know, I wasn’t in the best state of mine and she was like the most hippie woman, she ended up tellin’ me somethin’ I’d always remember. She’s like “Whatever is meant for you, will never pass you by”. And I-. 

Wendy Liebman: Will never what? 

D.J. Demers: - Pass you by. And she’s like “Whatever is meant for you, will never pass you by”, and she ended up being like the wise-ish, cause like I’m always “I don’t wanna talk to people and so”, so I said “Hello” and she said “Hi” and we talked for a little bit and then four hours later, we had talked the whole flight but at no point I was like “OK, can we please stop talking”. The whole time I was like “Tell me more, wise one”. 

Wendy Liebman: Did you keep in touch? 

D.J. Demers: No. We exchanged Facebook or numbers or something but I’m very bad at that. 

Wendy Liebman: Are you? 

D.J. Demers: I don’t know, it’s like –I kinda liked the sacredness of that moment, I’m like “We had that moment, we don’t necessarily need to make it a lifetime thing”. Maybe I’m heartless, I don’t know. 

Wendy Liebman: No, I understand that. I met this guy, I was in the window-seat and this guy was in the middle-seat, and he was 250-300 pounds and you can tell he was pissed, that he was in the middle-seat and I was –cause I always say “Hello” when somebody sits down and he wanted nothing to do with me. By the end, we talked for four and a half hours, he was a former NFL player for the New York Giants and he was moving –he was coming to L.A. because he was part of some concussion study cause they’re doing like, this big lawsuit. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, the CTE stuff. 

Wendy Liebman: And by the end he had told me his deepest, darkest secrets that I won’t reveal here, and –he and I decided that we should do it –like, not really do it but that you feel more comfortable talking to a stranger that you don’t think you’ll ever gonna talk to again, so we thought that we could do um- like a talk show like on a plane, like have [laughing] it was just an idea. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: -Or set it up where people don’t know they’re being record –I mean, we would never gonna actually do it but we did have that intimacy from –that we might never see each other again, it was just that moment. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: We did keep in touch for a little while, but I don’t think his wife liked that too much. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, that’s a little bit-. 

Wendy Liebman: But he was like “You and your husband should come out, and we’ll go here and there” and-it never, we never did that. 

D.J. Demers: You can become more intimate –I think cause of your heighten or your emotions are little bit heightened on an airplane as well, that’s why like I cry easier during movies and I’m just like –you’re like 30.000 feet in the air and there is a small chance the plane could crash. 

Wendy Liebman: Right. 

D.J. Demers: And that’s kind of somewhere deep in your brain, so these conversations take on a little bit more important. 

Wendy Liebman: That’s why I always say “Hello” to the person next to me, so that if we’re going down, they would be friendly. They should just give you a lifesaver at the beginning, so –well, I do, I share gum or whatever. 

D.J. Demers: Do ya? 

Wendy Liebman: Just because you never know, I think –yeah, I think that’s in the back of my mind. 

D.J. Demers: Well, they always say “Make sure you put on your own safety mask before”, I’m always like “Of course”, like what. 

Wendy Liebman: Oh no, before child. 

D.J. Demers: Oh, before child I guess because I’m always like “I don’t care about this person beside me”. I mean I do, but I care about myself more. 

Wendy Liebman: Well they’re saying “Help yourself first and then your child”. 

D.J. Demers: That makes sense, OK. 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah. 

D.J. Demers: So, I said like –I think this was like 20 minutes ago but the –um, the main thing that I kind of got from you, in terms of what I love about a good joke is, you do the punch line and then your tag, so for everybody who don’t know what a tag is, is like the thing you say after the punch line to get a little laugh. But your tags are almost more powerful than the 

punch line and then you have multiple tags, and you kinda, you know –mutter under your breath and is just so –I don’t know how to describe that style but I know that it’s –do you have, where did you get that from, was there somebody who influent you or you just kinda developed that out on your own? 

Wendy Liebman: I don’t know exactly, but I do remember being 14 or somewhere around then, and watching “The Merv Griffin Show” or Mike Douglas or one of those talk show hosts, and he was interviewing Phyllis Dilller, and she was sayin’ how you have to make your audience laugh and then when they think they’re done laughing, you have to hit them again. And I’m 14 or whatever and I’m going “I know what you mean”, was like –that was in me, like I get that. So, then I saw the comedians in Boston, cause I think you really influenced by the comedians that you grow up with. I would see Don Gavin –these are Boston guys, Don Gavin, Jonathan Katz, Brian Kiley, Kevin Meaney and –I sort of assimilated that and um- I remember seeing Kevin Meaney one time, I don’t know if you know Kevin- 

D.J. Demers: Uh, I’ve actually –he passed away recently so I looked up and said, cause I’ve always givin’ him glowing tribute and he was a killer, I didn’t know him until he passed away. 

Wendy Liebman: I remember watching him at “Catch Rising Star” at Cambridge, Massachusetts going “That’s what I wanna do” and- 

D.J. Demers: I heard he would just blow the roof up. 

Wendy Liebman: He was just –I’ve actually had lunch or coffee with his daughter yesterday. 

D.J. Demers: Oh, really? 

Wendy Liebman: -Who was in town, yeah, she’s –uh, she wants to be a comedy writer, Kate. And she reached out to me cause she knew I knew her dad. I’ve never met her –I met her when she was a baby but uh- I never knew her. Anyway, that was interesting, uh- but yeah, I watch the comedians around me and just like this is what I wanna do, and so –I think Ellen DeGeneres was that too, with the taglines and –uh, and I don’t do that on every joke and I think my comedy has changed over the years, um- but yes, I still like, hitting them again when they’re think I’m done. 

D.J. Demers: Mhm, and then again and then again. 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah. And you do that too! 

D.J. Demers: I do. Not on all my jokes and not –but my favorite jokes, I almost like the tag more than the punch line. If I could think of a good tag, that for me is like I get more gratification. 

Wendy Liebman: And people give me tags too, which is –I love that and I feel a little guilty every time I say them, I’m like “Oh, I didn’t write this” but- 

D.J. Demers: I don’t think you should. I don’t understand why –cause some comics are verse to even receiving tags, I don’t know. Cause if somebody – cause it’s not like we posses weird power that other people can’t tap into, so. You’d like to believe we’re better at it 

than most people, but people can think of funny lines and I think we have to be open to receiving them. 

Wendy Liebman: Somebody wrote one on Facebook, a comedian wrote like a follow-up and I said “Can I use that?” and he’s like “Absolutely” so- 

D.J. Demers: What is the joke? 

Wendy Liebman: Um, well I’m talking about losing my FitBit and uh, I lost my FitBit and then my joke was that it was still racking up points on my computer, so somebody found it, and I didn’t really had a joke there, and he said um, “Did you find it in the dryer?”, so I say that now and gets a huge laugh. 

D.J. Demers: Oh, that’s nice. 

Wendy Liebman: Actually the alter I get the more I’ve been doing this, the more like people have been writing jokes for me and I pay them. And I haven’t done it a lot and I, I pay a lot more than I use cause I, I very rarely try a new joke that’s one of the reasons I’m –yeah, I’m not further along cause I haven’t been as prolific as some of my peers. But um- yeah, I just like that people wanna write jokes for me, I think that’s so cool. 

D.J. Demers: So, do they reach out to you or do you kinda put it out there “I’d like to have some jokes or”- 

Wendy Liebman: Um, one of the women I met –I was part of something called “The Erma Bombeck Writers’ Convention”, I don’t know if you’re familiar with –she’s an American writer, humorist, she wrote a column, um, and she was like one of the first housewife to –just be in the newspaper. She would write all about having kids and she would say things like um, “I would never wanna go to a doctor who’s –in his waiting room, his house plants were dead” or “his plants were dead”, I’m messing up the joke but she was really funny about her kids and so, every other year they do a convention like a writers’ workshop and there were like 300 women in there, a few guys but um- 

D.J. Demers: Lucky devils [laughing] 

Wendy Liebman: [laughing] One of them come to my Vitello’s show every month and he’s actually done stand-up at my show, like I gave him a little shot, but um –but this one woman said “Would you ever buy a joke” –oops, sorry. 

D.J. Demers: That’s okay, are you okay? 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, “Would you every buy a joke?” and I was like “Yeah, if I like it” so she wrote a joke, the joke is –after my husband and I made love, I put my glasses on and said “Oh, it’s you” and then um –but it wasn’t him so- 

D.J. Demers: But it wasn’t him? 

Wendy Liebman: But it wasn’t him [laughing] 

D.J. Demers: So, you just paid for the joke then? 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, I gave her 25 dollars for a joke, we agreed to that amount and then I had another woman who is the daughter of Jean Perry, who wrote the comedy bible “How to Write a Joke Book”. He wrote for Bob Hope for 28 years and Phyllis Diller and Joan Rivers and um- so he showed up at the show once and his daughter brought him and so we all had lunch, uh- after that, and then she said “Would you buy joke–would you be open to buying jokes?” and I said “Yeah” so again, I paid 25 dollars. I’m sure that’s less than the market goes for, but I so rarely use them that I over–I pay for more than I use, so. 

D.J. Demers: That’s kinda flattering though, because then they have to write a joke that they think it’s in your voice, right? 

Wendy Liebman: Right. 

D.J. Demers: So, that’s kinda flattering that you have like a recognizable enough –you know, distinct voice that’s somebody’s able to write a joke like “Oh, this is a Wendy Liebman style joke”. 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, and I don’t know if they are in my style as much as I’ve been more open to doing other kinds of jokes, like. Actually I have a fan in Toronto. 

D.J. Demers: Oh, yeah? 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, her name is Pearl and she’s been a Facebook friend of mine from the beginning of Facebook and she said something funny on Facebook and I said “Can I use that, I’ll pay for you it?” and she said “I would be beyond flattered” and it gets a big laugh. The joke is that I don’t always like to clean but sometimes I’ll spray lemon pledge in the house to make my husband think I dust. [laughing] So, it’s not like my style but it gets a huge laugh. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, and you said your styles kinda evolved over the years, how would you say it changed it? 

Wendy Liebman: Well, I’ve got –I’ve used to talk really fast, and I was just nervous being on stage. That’s part of how I think the tagline started as well, I just hated being on stage with dead air, so I would just add things and um- think I’ve just gotten more mellow, uh –and I’m still not even exactly where I wanna be in terms of performing. Like I’ve watched Dave Chappelle once, I was headlining at the improv in DC and this was in early 90’s and he came –he just stopped by. He was in town for a family function and he went on to do like a hour and a half after I was on stage and I said “How do you do that?” and he goes “Just talk about what you wanna –what you’re feeling in the moment”, like I was never real. So, I guess I’m tryna be more real, and especially in this political climate where everything is a lie, I feel like I really have to be honest, so I don’t mean like I have to divulge that –you know I talk about my brother in my act, but I don’t really have a brother, like I don’t feel I have to divulge that. 

D.J. Demers: No, but you’re speaking to like a –a truth, whether or not you have a brother, you’re trying to be real. I know what you mean. 

Wendy Liebman: Right. 

D.J. Demers: That’s –I follow you, we’re friends on Facebook as well and I’ve noticed that you’re getting very political. Do you have any of those jerks on the Internet who are like –you know, “Stay in your lane, you’re not a political comic”, you get any of that? 

Wendy Liebman: I have had a few comments, um- just stick to the jokes or –and I’ll write right back to the person, you probably not supposed to, but I’ll write right back to the person saying “I’m a human and I have opinions and uh- you don’t have to follow me anymore”, that’s what I say and I –like I was on –at “Midnight” the other night. 

D.J. Demers: Oh, were you? How was that? 

Wendy Liebman: I don’t know, I just feel like I’m cool now. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, that is like the cool credit. 

Wendy Liebman: Cause a couple of years ago I reached out to the producer, cause he produced “The Craig Ferguson Show” and he had me on that show, so I reached out and said “Could I do at Midnight?” and he said, I said “Am I too old?”, and he said “It’s not a question of age” so I thought “Oh OK, I’m not cool enough” so I finally got on the show, and I guess I pronounced Nevada wrong. I said Nevada. 

D.J. Demers: Isn’t that like “tomato – tomato” type of situation? 

Wendy Liebman: I guess not. Cause two people wrote to me on Twitter and said “She couldn’t even get the pronunciation right” so I wrote right back and I go “My bad” and then they were like –and then I followed them. And then they’re like “Oh, no that’s OK, a lot of people do that”. Like once you’ve –like called them out on that, what we’re saying is really going to affect me, um, they’re like “Oh, no no no, that’s okay”. 

D.J. Demers: They’re “Oh no, you’re a real human being, oh no”. 

Wendy Liebman: I remember during, a couple of years ago, Amy Schumer was called out for stealing jokes. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, and you were –they were saying she stole one of your jokes. 

Wendy Liebman: Well, I’ve always contended that somebody must have sold it to her because it was practically verbatim, and more than the joke –just the style was, I don’t know. But I wasn’t angry, I really wasn’t angry, but then two other jokes of mine were stolen like, within two days. One was made into a meme, one was made into a cartoon and I was –I raged. So, that’s when I said “Between this happening and Amy Schumer doing one of my jokes, I’m done with social media”, that’s what I said. And then I –um, I guess other people saw that about Amy and they were all like “Oh, she took my joke too”. Again, I still contend that somebody sold that to her, that’s what I wanna believe. And she reached out to me and she said um- “What can I do to make this right, I’ve no idea” and I said “Just the fact that you approached me, it’s all fine” or that you know, got in contact with me. But there was a woman who said “Wendy Liebman’s a has-been” and so I wrote to her, and so did 50 of my followers, they were upset with her. And she blocked us all. Um –but I know who she is and I know where she work, and not that I would do anything but I guess my point is – you need to take responsibility for what you’re saying. It’s not a vacuum. 

D.J. Demers: On the Internet, yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: There are real consequences, so I do have to be aware of that when I get political. My politic –like I haven’t wanted to get political on stage cause I’m just scared of the audience. 

D.J. Demers: Me too. 

Wendy Liebman: Right? 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, especially I’m a Canadian coming to America, it’s like –and you know people scare me, they’re unpredictable and it’s a very divisive climate right now. 

Wendy Liebman: Well, I feel like why make people, why divide audience even more. 

D.J. Demers: And I don’t have anything funny enough to say –like people scare me but that’s not the main thing, it’s like I just hate Trump so much right now and I hate the climate so much that nothing I’ve thought of is funny, it’s just all adding more kind of vitriol to the –so until I can find a way to really make it funny and not just more divisive, uh the pay off’s not enough. Especially if you start your set with political stuff and then you supposed to do 45 minutes of like other generic humor. 

Wendy Liebman: I’ve seen people have to do that. I saw Wanda Sykes do that in front of 12 thousand people at the “Boston Garden” and six thousand of them were not into it. It is really –and then somebody came up and did uh- alternative, you know, was on the other side of the political fence and the other six thousand people were not into that, that was Nick Di Paolo. But um, at the beginning of his term, I would say something like, I’d be at Vitallo’s where we see a 120 people and say “There must be 40 thousand people here”, you know making fun of but without being direct, direct about it. People knew what I meant and um- and I can talk about it like from, I’m scared that the world isn’t gonna last that long like, am I gonna get to use all my Forever stamps. So in that way, I can be somewhat political without really pointing fingers. But it is –like I wish I were like Chris Rock or you know, I wish I had that because I do have opinions. 

D.J. Demers: I know. 

Wendy Liebman: Why do you hate him so much? 

D.J. Demers: Well, cause he’s a vial human being, he has no redeeming qualities, um, and I just –I don’t know how to even make it funny, I just- I tried to be open-minded to everybody’s opinion because I like to believe I’m a nice guy and I believe in the good in everyone, but people who still defend Donald Trump, I don’t understand, I can’t- 

Wendy Liebman: Well, I have a friend who voted for him. 

D.J. Demers: My dad loves Donald Trump. Up in Canada, I’m like “Dad, what-?” 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, what does he love about him? 

D.J. Demers: “He tells it like it is!” and I’m like “Tells what like it is?”. 

Wendy Liebman: Are you close with your dad? 

D.J. Demers: Uh, yeah, and I love him but we made a deal like during the election, I’m like “I don’t wanna talk about Trump anymore with you because we’re never gonna agree on it”. 

Wendy Liebman: I think your president –is that what he’s called? 

D.J. Demers: Um, prime minister. 

Wendy Liebman: Prime minister, should just rule all of North America, that’s what I think. 

D.J. Demers: You know what’s funny is, and I don’t keep up with Canadian politics enough, but apparently he’s not that great. 

Wendy Liebman: Oh. 

D.J. Demers: He’s really dreamy. 

Wendy Liebman: [laughing] 

D.J. Demers: So, we gloss over a lot of that and again I don’t know, he could be, I just know that it’s a bit more of a –um, there’s a bit more about him that –everybody’s kind of glossing over the bad things because he’s such a dream boat, from what I’ve heard. That being said, yes, I would take him over the guy who’s running U.S. right now for sure. 

Wendy Liebman: Um, yeah. I just – I feel sorry for children who, and their parents who have to explain this regime to their kids. 

D.J. Demers: It’s such a weird time, it’s so weird that it’s –like I watch Colbert, he’s like my religion, he’s doing the Lord’s work right now, but it’s just so weird that every day you know he’s gonna have crazy news to report on it, to joke about. Like there’s never a day that goes by where you -it’s just the snowball effect where we’re gonna look back on this in 10 years and we’ll be “What the hell was that?” 

Wendy Liebman: “Really, what was that?”. Um, Seth Meyers is also great. 

D.J. Demers: I watch both of them, yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: And John Oliver. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, Sam B, those four. Samantha B, John Oliver, and Seth and Steven are just-. 

Wendy Liebman: Um, Stephen Colbert was on the Tony’s the other night. 

D.J. Demers: Oh, I didn’t see that. 

Wendy Liebman: And he joked about how there’s this show in Washington now –you know, he was making an analogy, was like um- the lead is not that great, and they think it’s gonna close before the four year run. 

D.J. Demers: [laughing] 

Wendy Liebman: He’s great. And he sang, he can sing, that guy! 

D.J. Demers: Really? I believe he can do anything he puts his mind to. 

Wendy Liebman: He can sing and um, I love, I love theater. I started in the theater. 

D.J. Demers: Really? 

Wendy Liebman: Well, in junior high and high school and camp, I was always like the star of the play. I was Eliza Doolittle –that was like my crowning moment in high school. Dorothy in “The Wizard of Oz”, and then I smoked a lot of cigarettes and I couldn’t –and I don’t have a voice anymore. I don’t smoke anymore but. 

D.J. Demers: When did you stop? 

Wendy Liebman: Um, years and years and years ago but I still –I think I’ve ruined my vocal, I can’t sing that. But anyway, I love just –I can’t wait to see this play called “Dear Evan Hansen”. 

D.J. Demers: Oh, yeah. I’ve heard great things. 

Wendy Liebman: Oh my God. My parents –my parents have been in Manhattan, they go to theater, you know semi-retired and they just love the theater. They saw that, they saw “Come From Away”, which is also amazing. It’s about –um, this plane on 9/11 that got rerouted, it couldn’t land here so it got rerouted to Newfoundland. 

D.J. Demers: Wow. 

Wendy Liebman: And apparently- 

D.J. Demers: True story? 

Wendy Liebman: This is a true story. Apparently the cast –they play both the towns’ people and the passengers. 

D.J. Demers: Town people and Newfoundland? 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah. 

D.J. Demers: Do you know how thick the Newfoundland accent is? I was just there a month ago. It’s crazy, it’s like –you can’t understand what they’re saying. 

Wendy Liebman: Really? 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, so I’d love to hear that. Wow. My grandpa a Newfie, like from Newfoundland. 

Wendy Liebman: I don’t even know where that is. 

D.J. Demers: And my grandma. It’s like the furthers east in Canada, it’s like the most Northeastern point of North America. 

Wendy Liebman: I’ve been to Winnipeg and Edmonton and Calgary… 

D.J. Demers: Those are more west. Those are all like mid-to-west Canada, so Newfoundland’s way –I was just there month ago, it was a middle of May and I had to wear a sweater and a winter coat the whole time, like. 

Wendy Liebman: Well, it’s snowing in Nevada. It’s snowing there now. They’re keeping the ski slopes open. 

D.J. Demers: Really?! 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, through August, cause it’s snowing. 

D.J. Demers: What? 

Wendy Liebman: I know. So, there’s like some kind of climate, thing. 

D.J. Demers: Huh. You talked on, when you um- we talked of the producer of “Midnight”, you said “Am I too old?”, and then you had somebody on Twitter call you a “has-been”, do you find that ageism is a real thing? 

Wendy Liebman: Well, Eddie Brill who booked Letterman for years and he runs the “Great American Comedy Festival” at north Nebraska, which I’m going to tomorrow. 

D.J. Demers: It’s actually in Nebraska? 

Wendy Liebman: [laughing] Who knows, I don’t even know. He wrote a whole post today about ageism because I really think, D.J., that comedians –we get better. I don’t think we lose it, I think we get better because –I mean, I know personally I’m better because I have more experience. And –the more I do it, the more I take more chances and so, unless I start losing my memory um- unless the comedians starts losing it. 

D.J. Demers: Or their love for it. 

Wendy Liebman: Or their love for it, exactly! Um- yeah, I think ageism is stupid in stand-up comedy. 

D.J. Demers: You think it exists so? 

Wendy Liebman: Oh, absolutely. I know –I even had a manager who said to me “I can’t book you in that club, you’re too old” and I’m like “What?!”. Like “Look at Robert Klein”, not that I’m Robert Klein but- 

D.J. Demers: So, you think that sexism intertwined with the ageism? 

Wendy Liebman: Oh, that could be too. 

D.J. Demers: Cause nobody’s tellin’ Louie he’s too old. 

Wendy Liebman: Right. Or Louie Anderson. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, yeah, either Louie. 

Wendy Liebman: Um, maybe it is, I haven’t –it’s like I has this mental block against sexism, like I don’t wanna believe that somebody dislikes what I do because I’m female, like –and people, have always from the beginning said “What it’s like to be female comedian?” – I don’t know anything else. I don’t know- 

D.J. Demers: Does it bother you to be called a female comedian? 

Wendy Liebman: Um, no. I don’t mind that. As long as the check’s clear, I’m cool – you can call me clown [laughing] 

D.J. Demers: [laughing] 

Wendy Liebman: I once had this woman, in the real world say to me “When you gonna do your little clown skit?” 

D.J. Demers: [laughing] Oh my God! Two of the worst words, “clown” and “skit”. Yeah, put ‘em together. 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, clown skits. 

D.J. Demers: I’m sure you had this from people who come up and said “I don’t normally like female comedians but”- 

Wendy Liebman: I get that a lot. And I’ve had four homeless fans, I’m not joking. I was in front of the post-office once and this guy asking for change was like “Oh, I saw you on Show Time”. 

D.J. Demers: Really? 

Wendy Liebman: That was one, and I had three others. One was –I was serving Thanksgiving dinner at the improv one year and this guy was like “I saw you open for Richard Marks at the Greek Theater”, I’m like “Oh, okay” and then –oh, this was my favorite. I was in San Hose, walking to my gig and I see a person sleeping in a box, and he looked up and he said “You’re that comedian, aren’t you” and I said “Yeah, I’m going to my gig, do you wanna come? I’ll call and let you in”. And he came, and he left before I got off stage. [laughing] 

D.J. Demers: Really? 

Wendy Liebman: He’d rather go to his box. [laughing] 

D.J. Demers: [laughing] That’s amazing. Did you see him, did you walk by him on the way back? 

Wendy Liebman: Noo, no. 

D.J. Demers: That’s so funny. He’s like “Alright, I’ve seen enough”, yeah. Going back home. 

Wendy Liebman: Oh my God. 

D.J. Demers: The Amy Schumer thing, you like just openly said “I paid people 25 bucks for jokes”. Would Amy Schumer or did Amy Schumer ever come out and said “Oh, must’ve been somebody sold me a joke that” –like cause I feel not everybody’s open about the fact that they have writers. 

Wendy Liebman: Right, like I once wrote for somebody and she said “Don’t tell anybody” so- 

D.J. Demers: I always wonder how prevalent it is to have joke writers. You say most comedians of a certain stature have writers or? 

Wendy Liebman: I really don’t know. I know a few lead liners who have bought whole acts from people who had stopped doing stand-up. 

D.J. Demers: Wow. 

Wendy Liebman: And um, and obviously the “late night guys”, they have staffs and writers because they have to come up with such material. I think Amy said no, cause I asked her and she said “No, I wrote that” and I ran it by my head writer and he said it sounds like something that was on the answering machine at the “Comic Strip”, the joke that I –the joke was that I’m old-fashioned, I like it on a date when the man pays – for sex. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, okay, I know that joke, yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: But now I feel like I can’t do it, cause she did it on her HBO special and it was the promo for it. 

D.J. Demers: The HBO one or the Netflix one? 

Wendy Liebman: It was her HBO special that Chris Rock –um directed. It was a couple of years ago. The Netflix one was recent, when she was wearing leather. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, the leather special. 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, no, this was before that. 

D.J. Demers: OK. 

Wendy Liebman: So um- yes, I don’t know where I was going with that, but. 

D.J. Demers: So, people who have –well, for yourself, the jokes that people have written for you, do you have a harder time feeling like attachment to them because you didn’t write them or is that not a concern for you? 

Wendy Liebman: It’s actually easier for me to tell them, because it’s less personal. 

D.J. Demers: Hmm. 

Wendy Liebman: And yeah, it’s interesting. I –I look forward to telling them because they get laughs and um- yeah, no, it’s inter- and it’s only like two or three jokes that I tell, that somebody else wrote. 

D.J. Demers: OK, and the evolution of your style, do you feel like –you said you’re better up there, you’re more truthful, do you feel truthful means personal, are you trying to tell more about your actual life? Because your, your older set –there’s truth in there, but you’re also taking me on such a ride, I don’t know what’s real and what’s not. Do you feel like you’re moving away from that to more honest territory or you still- 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, but it’s so slow, it’s really slow. I wanna be more honest but I feel like, like with my own family, I married a man who had two kids already so they’re not my children, so I feel like it’s not my place to talk about them, for real. Even though I could mine it for material, but um- maybe as they get older I’ll talk more about, the reality. 

D.J. Demers: That story line was really played up when you’re on up on “America’s Got Talent”. I did “America’s Got Talent” a year after you, so I know all about how they –they need a story to latch onto. Your story that they really kinda harped on was that you took a break to raise your two children. How much of that was like, reality? 

Wendy Liebman: Well, I did –I never took time off and I made that clear to them but I guess they played that up anyway. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, of course. 

Wendy Liebman: I slowed down, like I would say I went from the fast lane of being on the road two or three weeks a month, to being away one week a month cause I wanted to be around. But my real story that they didn’t latch onto, was that my husband and I were hit by a drunk driver –did I tell you this? 

D.J. Demers: You did, yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: And I literally sat on the side of the road, waiting for the chaos to subside and I though “I need to get back out there, I need to really do what I do” and get on “America’s Got Talent”. Like that, well my very first thought was I should’ve had dessert- 

D.J. Demers: [laughing] Oh my God. 

Wendy Liebman: So –yeah, we were hit by a drunk driver. The woman in the next car died and seven cars were overtowed alls, and –if she hadn’t been there, he would’ve hit me, so it really was life-altering. 

D.J. Demers: Mhm, and this was how long ago? 

Wendy Liebman: This was 2013. 

D.J. Demers: Wow. 

Wendy Liebman: And um –I have goose bumps talking about it because –life can just end like that, like you just never know. And I wanna say it stayed with me this long and I take every moment seriously but, I don’t. 

D.J. Demers: Life goes on, right? You can’t just –be sitting in a room every day “Oh, I almost died”. 

Wendy Liebman: But I do remember after that, everywhere I went I was like “I almost died”, and I was so friendly and open to people, and I talked to everybody –it was like I appreciated it every –I told everybody how much I loved them and I, I was gonna do this thing were like –my dream is to sing with all my friends, like sing duets. I never did that though, but I wanted to do that. Um- but yeah, I guess life is like that, it’s like you realize your mortality every once and a while and that propels you to be more productive or take yourself more seriously. Like my husband is turning 60 next week and I’ve heard that 60 is the number, like it’s –you can turn 50 and be OK with it, I’m 56 now but 60 is like, reality. 

D.J. Demers: Mhm. 

Wendy Liebman: Like mortality, reality … and he’s been cleaning sh*t up, like taking care of his life and realizing what he wants to do and um- so I don’t know where I’m going with that, but just that life is like that. 

D.J. Demers: I –am dumbfound that the AGT didn’t latch onto that story. 

Wendy Liebman: Me too. 

D.J. Demers: That’s more- 

Wendy Liebman: I know. I had pictures [laughing] of the crash. 

D.J. Demers: Wow. Why do you think they chose to go with the “woman taking care of her kids” story instead of the drunk driver one? 

Wendy Liebman: Because they didn’t have the “woman taking care of the kids” story, like they wanted –that show is a mystery to me because I’ve watched a woman named Jodi Miller. She’s comedian here. Killed it, just –standing ovations from all four judges during auditions and she didn’t get through. So, unless they knew something else about her, I don’t know why they picked me over her. 

D.J. Demers: Maybe her back story wasn’t compelling enough – just a comedian telling jokes. 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, I don’t know but –so that story, I mean that show is casting. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: Right? 

D.J. Demers: 100%. 

Wendy Liebman: And so, how far did you get? 

D.J. Demers: Not far, second round. 

Wendy Liebman: But it wasn’t fun? 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, it was okay. It wasn’t horrible, I just –I’m not a big reality TV fan. 

Wendy Liebman: What made you do it? 

D.J. Demers: I was doing a coll- I was doing colleges in Kansas and Missouri and I was driving through Kansas City and they had an open casting call at the convention centre there, and I had no show that day or night so I was like “Yeah, I’ll do it” and so I just sat there all day and did a couple of auditions for the producers and they were –I was fortunate enough that they moved me onto the next round. So, I didn’t hate it, it was really interesting and I liked it actually- 

Wendy Liebman: Did it help you? 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, yeah, and I just moved to America and so it’s been great for me. I have nothing but appreciation for it but –uh, it’s fake. 

Wendy Liebman: Right. 

D.J. Demers: And you just need to recognize that. 

Wendy Liebman: Well, I watch everything now and I go “Oh, that’s fake”. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, so it actually has been a good lesson for me because now I don’t attach any of my self worth to –so like, when I went through the first round, they were like “You’re the best” and the four judges were like “You’re amazing” and then everybody was messaging me “You’re amazing” and I was like “I did pretty amazing, aren’t I?”. And then when I got kicked off, I actually had better set in the second round and I got a standing ovation, and the way they edited it made me look like I bombed, and then they kicked me off. 

Wendy Liebman: Oooh. 

D.J. Demers: So, watching that after I knew what happened in real life made me realize like –oh, this is all fake. You can’t get too high with the highs because that’s fake too. 

Wendy Liebman: Riiight. 

D.J. Demers: And in the same way, you can’t get too low with the lows cause I know what actually happened and –but it was really fun, like you said, everything you watch now “Oh OK, I know the hours that went into crafting that story”. Like, they were like “I’ve been wearing hearing ads since I was four years old” and like then zoomed right in on my hearing aids and sad music starts playing or- 

Wendy Liebman: [laughing] 

D.J. Demers: And I’m like no I’m not sad, I’m actually pretty happy, like “C’mon, just give us a couple of tears here, man”. I couldn’t cry, they were like “We need you to be more emotional”, I’m like “Not really a crier”. 

Wendy Liebman: Well, you’re not on a plane. [laughing] 

D.J. Demers: Exactly, yeah! If we did this on a plane…but it was positive overall. Did you enjoyed it? 

Wendy Liebman: You know, I’m glad I did it. 

D.J. Demers: Mhm. 

Wendy Liebman: And -I got a pair of shoes out of the whole th- well, they paid for one of my shoes. 

D.J. Demers: Oh, really? 

Wendy Liebman: Just one. 

D.J. Demers: I didn’t get any shoes paid for it. 

Wendy Liebman: Well, I don’t know how it happened but they paid for half of the shoes, so- 

D.J. Demers: [laughing] And you’re kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place on that one cause I did what nobody should ever do and I read the YouTube comments on your 

“America’s Got Talent” videos and you got people like “Wendy Liebman’s been around forever, why is she on America’s Got Talent?” 

Wendy Liebman: Riiiight. 

D.J. Demers: Like, why isn’t she allowed to be on it? 

Wendy Liebman: Well, you know, producers didn’t care, they knew I’ve been on “The Tonight Show” but they didn’t care, it was –the audience, some of the audience. But then you look at, um- Emily West? I think I’m getting her name right. She came in second, my year, she’s a singer and she already have like recording contact with some big recording studio, so –yeah, they don’t care, they just want good talent, I think and the fact that I wanted to do it, they were like “Oh, OK”. The guy who won, my year is a guy named Matt Franco who’s a magician. 

D.J. Demers: Oh, yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: And he has his own show in Las Vegas now, they built a showroom for him. Part of what I love about being on the show is like, he’s my friend now. Like I made really good friends, I made friends with a woman named Rachel Butera who is a voice-over artist and she does impressions, she’s been on “Howard Stern” a lot, and she’s one of my closest friends now. So, in that sense I made really good –I have some really good, new friends. 

D.J. Demers: You just seem to make friends everywhere you go. 

Wendy Liebman: [laughing] Oh, on planes, on “America’s Got Talent”, and my house. 

D.J. Demers: Do you still love stand-up as much as you did –you started in the 80’s? 

Wendy Liebman:’84. 

D.J. Demers: How is your relationship evolved with stand-up? 

Wendy Liebman: Do you want the honest truth? 

D.J. Demers: I want nothing but the unvarnished –this isn’t “America’s Got Talent”, give me the real stuff. 

Wendy Liebman: I swear – I still don’t know what compelled me to do it. I know I was reading a course catalog and I saw how to be a stand-up comedian I was like “Oh my God, eureka, bells and buzzers, like that should be –I should do that”. But to this day, I still get nervous when I perform and I spend all day being nervous, so it’s like what other job does somebody have that they get nervous for 30 years going to work, like. 

D.J. Demers: Is that what makes it worthwhile though? The feeling of –those nerves mean that you’re alive, right? 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, yeah. Um, I –don’t know if I ever loved it, that’s what I’m trying to say- 

D.J. Demers: Wow. 

Wendy Liebman: I –it’s always just been something that I know I needed to be doing. Yeah, I bombed a lot at first but I just kept going cause I knew I should be there, so –does that makes sense? Like my life has a life on his own. If I could just make money selling T-shirts and sweatpants [laughing] I would do that. 

D.J. Demers: You don’t think you’d miss being on stage? 

Wendy Liebman: I don’t think I would. 

D.J. Demers: Wow. 

Wendy Liebman: And I’ve hosted a bunch of like, um, award shows –local, nothing televised or anything, and I feel like I’m really good at that, so like as an MC, like maybe I’ll morph into doing more of that. Um, and I do that on my show, at Vitello’s “Local Grown”. That can –I started doing “Locally Grown” cause I didn’t wanna go away anymore and I lived right around the corner and I just walked into the restaurant and I said “Do you wanna do a comedy show here?” and they were like “This is great timing because we had music in this room and the neighbors has been complaining that it’s too loud, so we need to do something quieter”. So, it was one of those right time-right place things and uh- this month, June 27th will be two years. 

D.J. Demers: Wow. And a monthly show, too. 

Wendy Liebman: A monthly show. We tried doing it weekly, that didn’t work. We tried that for one week. 

D.J. Demers: Why didn’t that work? 

Wendy Liebman: Not one person showed up. 

D.J. Demers: [laughing] Oh, wow. 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, it was like too much. 

D.J. Demers: Montly’s an event, right –you’re like you can plan for it “Oh, we got to go”, weekly is like a chore. 

Wendy Liebman: Right. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: I still would love to get more –like different kinds of shows in there, like I interviewed a few people, I interviewed Jean Perrot, the writer. We had one night of interviewing him, I interviewed Phil Rosenthal who wrote “Everybody Loves Raymond”, he created that show. We talked about his food show, um –so we talked about that and uh- yeah, I’d like to do more of that. You know, different types of shows. 

D.J. Demers: Did you ever had any ambitions of having a sitcom? 

Wendy Liebman: People have written sitcoms for me, and um, one of them was called “Wendy”. I played an editor at a Books-on-Tape, um- yeah and uh, they re-casted me. 

D.J. Demers: No! 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, because I’ve been told –I’ve been told so many times that I can’t act, even though I just really feel I just haven’t had the right role. 

D.J. Demers: Really? 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah. 

D.J. Demers: That’s so fu- Jerry Seinfeld can’t act. 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, and uh- yeah, he was surrounded by amazing actors. Um- but it just didn’t work out for me and I really, honestly, like your hippie person said on the plane – that wasn’t meant to be, I don’t know if I’m putting words in her mouth, but I wouldn’t have met my husband if that didn’t happen. Cause when I met him, he was hired to write an animated show for me. 

D.J. Demers: Oh, really? 

Wendy Liebman: Which also never worked. Um- we just couldn’t sell it, but –yeah, I really do feel like I’m exactly where I’m supposed to be. Talking to you [laughing] 

D.J. Demers: Well, that’s really nice. Yeah, sitting here and- 

Wendy Liebman: [laughing] Talking to one of my fans, and an amazing comedian. I can’t wait to see you perform. 

D.J. Demers: Thank you, yeah I can’t wait to be on your show. 

Wendy Liebman: We worked together at the “Empire Bar”. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, yeah, “Empire Comedy Live” brought Ian in Toronto a couple of years ago. Ian Atlas brings all the best comedians in Toronto. 

Wendy Liebman: Speaking of –he told me his dad was in the Canadian army, and I remember when he said that, I was like “There’s a Canadian army?” [laughing] 

D.J. Demers: Oh, yeah. Strong army, yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: But he’s a great guy, like I’m not saying this so that anyone will hear, but he knows comedy. 

D.J. Demers: No, you’re right, Ian’s great. Ian single-handedly transformed the Toronto comedy scene. He’s an amazing producer and you’re right – he knows comedy. He brings in –he brings in amazing comedians before they’ve popped, like before they make that next jump too. Like he brought in, you know. 

Wendy Liebman: Aparna. 

D.J. Demers: He brought in Aparna, years like- 

Wendy Liebman: Josh Gondelman. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: He has an eye. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah. He’s got his finger on his pulse–yeah, he’s a good friend, we go- he produced “Toronto Comedy Brawl” which is uh- it goes on for like eight months in Toronto, it’s like round after round after round from April ‘till October, and then there’s a winner at the end of it. And his winners – full disclosure, I’ve won the contest –uh, but his winners always go on to like –it’s like almost become kind of a-like a Litmus test for the next- 

Wendy Liebman: Right. 

D.J. Demers: K. Trevor Wilson –these are people in Canada who are doing big things now but they’ve won “The Comedy Brawl”, so yeah, Ian’s great for a comedy in Canada in general. And yeah, he brought you and he knew I was a big fan, so he was nice enough to let me open for you. 

Wendy Liebman: Aww, I met greatest comedians that weekend, um-each one was great. 

D.J. Demers: Who else opened and hosted for you? 

Wendy Liebman: Um, Sara? 

D.J. Demers: Hennessey? 

Wendy Liebman: -Starkman? 

D.J. Demers: Oh, Sara Starkman. Yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: Um- should remembered all the names. Um, if you named them, I’ll tell you. 

D.J. Demers: Oh, that’s fine. [laughing] 

Wendy Liebman: They were all great though, like each –yes. 

D.J. Demers: It’s a strong scene out there. Um-because nobody’s really watching, so you can kinda take- 

Wendy Liebman: Chantel? 

D.J. Demers: Chantel Marostica? 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah. 

D.J. Demers: Nice, she’s great. 

Wendy Liebman: Uh, DeAnne? 

D.J. Demers: DeAnne Smith? 

Wendy Liebman: Yup. 

D.J. Demers: DeAnne’s amazing, yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: She’s American. 

D.J. Demers: I know. And she barely works in America. She works in Australia a lot, Canada, but doesn’t really do –she does America but I think she likes –Canada’s pretty great. 

Wendy Liebman: I love Canada, I mean I first started going to the “Montreal Comedy Festival” in the early 90’s and I’ve never been to Canada before. And I remember just feeling like my whole world’s opened up. The people there were the nicest people, and I really had –I just love it, I love it, I love Canada. And I’m going back. I’m going to the Edmonton Comedy Festival. 

D.J. Demers: Oh, yeah, when is that? 

Wendy Liebman: October, I wanna say, or September? September, October. 

D.J. Demers: Cool. Nice. Well, Edmonton’s OK. [laughing] 

Wendy Liebman: [laughing] They have a big mall there. 

D.J. Demers: They do. It’s like the Mall of America in Minneapolis. 

Wendy Liebman: I stayed at the mall. There’s a hotel in the mall. 

D.J. Demers: In Edmonton? Yeah. Is there a rollercoaster too? 

Wendy Liebman: There is. And a water park. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah, just what you want in a mall. [laughing] 

Wendy Liebman: [laughing] Go swimming and then go to H&M. 

D.J. Demers: What has been your carrier highlight? I was watching your YouTube clips before you came, uh-you know, you’ve been on Carson, Leno, Kimmel? 

Wendy Liebman: Kimmel. 

D.J. Demers: You’ve been on everything, what’s been a career highlight for you? 

Wendy Liebman: Uu, that’s interesting um, I was number 23 down at a crossword puzzle. 

D.J. Demers: Really? 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah. 

D.J. Demers: “New York Times”? 

Wendy Liebman: Uh, “New York Magazine”. 

D.J. Demers: Wow. 

Wendy Liebman: I know. That was a career highlight. 

D.J. Demers: What was the question, what was the clue? 

Wendy Liebman: Just comedian, Wendy, something, and it was Liebman, yeah- 

D.J. Demers: That’s pretty amazing. 

Wendy Liebman: That felt like “Oh my God, wow”. Um, another career highlight was opening for Bob Hope. 

D.J. Demers: When did you do that? 

Wendy Liebman: In the 90’s. Um- in Indianapolis, outside in front of a 5.000 people. 

D.J. Demers: Wow. 

Wendy Liebman: And I had some weird gigs, I don’t know if this is highlight but I got to perform on a boat for –it was during the Superbowl, um-the Indianapolis Colts hired me to perform for their friends, the owner of the Indianapolis Colts. I think that’s the name, I don’t know. 

D.J. Demers: Is it –the owner- 

Wendy Liebman: Jim Irsay. 

D.J. Demers: Oh, yeah, yeah. He’s running into some problems as of lately. 

Wendy Liebman: Oh, well this was years ago. And I think it was his dad or- I don’t know. Whatever, it was on a boat. And they dressed the boat up, it was called the “SS Blader” and they had like lava lamps and shed rugs, they made it look like the 60’s and I was opening for a singer named Dan Fogelberg, who you might not know. 

D.J. Demers: I know that name, yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: He was big. and then Steven Stills was on the boat. And um-Cameron Crowe was on the boat, who directed “Singles” and “Almost Famous”. 

D.J. Demers: “Almost Famous”. Yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: And it was just surreal. 

D.J. Demers: Wow. 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, so my life has taken me to some very surreal places. Um- and I don’t, and I absolutely appreciate that, so I feel very, very fortunate in my life. 

D.J. Demers: Of all of the late night sets, what was the one that you were most nervous for, or proud of? Carson must have been a big deal, right? 

Wendy Liebman: It was surreal, cause it was –I’ve been watching that show and I remember watching when I was little and being nervous until they got their first laugh and then I’d be like “Oh!”. I couldn’t breathe for the comedian and so, it was sort of like that with me but –like it all happened very quickly. 

D.J. Demers: Were you still in Boston at that time or? 

Wendy Liebman: I was in Boston but some guy had seen me out here, I’d come out here, and he was like “How you could you haven't been on the show?” And I was like “I don't know”, so he was like “Come back next week and we'll put you on the show”. I mean that's 

how it worked, at that time. Um-I don’t know, when I did Jimmy Kimmel, this is a story I wanna tell. So, I got to open for a few people at “Caesars Palace” in Las Vegas, Nevada. [laughing] And my dressing room was huge, like a two-bedroom apartment, I mean just –obscene and I was so nervous and I was all by myself so I befriended the waiter. So I met him couple a times over the years, this waiter, he was really sweet. And then I forgot about him and then one day, 15 years later I start thinking about him, I've no idea why I was thinking about him, and then the very next day I did the “Jimmy Kimmel Show” and who walks into my dressing room but the waiter. Like so f*cking random. 

D.J. Demers: He worked at Jimmy Kimmel now? 

Wendy Liebman: He's in the band. 

D.J. Demers: Wow! 

Wendy Liebman: He is Cleto Senior. 

D.J. Demers: Oh my god. 

Wendy Liebman: He is Cleto Junior's dad. 

D.J. Demers: And you just taught about him the day before just randomly, and he remembered you too? 

Wendy Liebman: He came to say “Hello”. 

D.J. Demers: Wow! That's like the universe telling you you're on the right track. 

Wendy Liebman: I, I was so glad that I was nice to him. 

D.J. Demers: Well, not like your default nature is to be a jerk or something, yeah. 

Wendy Liebman: But he was –I remember him telling me that his son, cause Jimmy Kimmel grew up in Nevada and his son was best friend with Cleto Junior and I remember him telling me his son was a musician and then, the world is very mysterious. 

D.J. Demers: Yeah. I also love that Nevada was mentioned once again, it's just keeps coming up. 

Wendy Liebman: I could’ve just said Las Vegas but now I know how to pronounce it. Because I listen to my hecklers at my critics. 

D.J. Demers: That's right, you're receptive to feedback, negative - positive. Before we go Wendy, I know you gotta get out of here, I've been thinking I just moved to L.A. recently, I've been thinking why did I moved here, what do I want out of my career, out of life, been philosophizing? 

Wendy Liebman: Yeah, philosophizing. 

D.J. Demers: Thinking. And I wanna live a rich and fulfilling life, that’s what I've been telling myself. In your mind, what is a rich and fulfilling life? For you what constitutes of rich and fulfilling life? I know it's kind of a deep question but- 

Wendy Liebman: Rich and fulfilling life –It's changed over the years, I used to wanna be rich and famous, now I just wish I had all of my original teeth and a self-loathing dishwasher. [laughing] But I wake up every morning now, it's sunny, it's beautiful, there are flowers. I have my coffee with my husband, I can write whatever I want. My kids are health-my step kids are healthy and loved and, um- you know so that's like how I've changed spiritually. I also have recently felt so appreciated by my peers and since I started doing “Locally Grown” um- I really feel like, that means so much to me, that my peers, even if they’re lying- my peers really appreciate me. Like, I feel like I'm doing something good for that community too, cause a lot of comedians have done my show, who haven't performed in years and I have like Mike Scully who was like one of the writers on the “Simpsons” and “Parks and Rec”, he wanted to do a stand-up so I let him do my show, and that felt like I was helping the comedy in the world, so that's very fulfilling to me, to have comics who stopped doing it and wanna do it again –just give it the all-college try again, um-yeah, so feeling healthy, safe – as safe as you can feel in this world and appreciated and being around nature and beauty, and talking to comedians! I love being around funny people. 

D.J. Demers: Me too! 

Wendy Liebman: Like it's just, I feel so lucky! 

D.J. Demers: And I love meeting my heroes, I can't tell you how special this is to me, so thank you very much for coming by. 

Wendy Liebman: Thank you for having me. 

D.J. Demers: Ladies and gentleman – Wendy Liebman, where can they find you online, Wendy? 

Wendy Liebman: I'm at wendyliebman.com or on Twitter and Facebook – Wendy Liebman - L I E B M A N. 

D.J. Demers: And if you see her on an airplane, don't be afraid to say “Hello”. 

Wendy Liebman: [laughing] You’re being mic’d. 

D.J. Demers: Thank you very much Wendy, take care everybody! 

Wendy Liebman: Bye. 

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